http://barelwism.wordpress.com/2011/12/14/bashariyya-of-the-messenger-of-allah/

What is the Deobandi opinion regarding this hadith:

The Prophet, sall-Allahu `alayhi wa sallam, said: “My Lord came to me in the best form” – the narrator said: “I think he said: ‘in my sleep’” – “and asked me over what did the Higher Assembly (al-mala’ al-a‘lâ) vie; I said I did not know, so He put His hand between my shoulders, and I felt its coolness in my innermost, and knowledge of all things between the East and the West came to me.”

Narrated by al-Tirmidhi with three chains: two from Ibn ‘Abbas – in the first of which he said “the knowledge of all things in the heaven and the earth” while he graded the second hasan gharîb – and one chain from Mu‘adh (hasan sahîh) which explicitly mentions that this took place in the Prophet’s (SAWS) sleep.

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?60957-Tawaf-around-graves-Permissible-for-Khawwas-Says-a-Barelwi-Mufti

As-salamu ‘alaykum:

“This is absolutely ridiculous.”

The only thing ridiculous here is your comment (above), which is filled with sweeping generalizations, false statements and outright slander!

“Its good to note that these “up holders and beacons of the sunnah” are constantly misquoting and misleading to propagate their own beliefs. This website is full of misquotations from the 3 other madhaib to perpetuate the staunch and rigid hanafi fiqh espoused by deoband.”

Can you please mention the misquotations? You’ve made the claim and, now, for this conversation to go any further we will need to see those quotes. The onus is on us to provide answers with proof. If we are wrong, we will accept our fault.

“There are articles which suggest that the maliki madhab has certain dominant views on niqaab (which simply are not true)”

You are free to consult the Maliki ulama such as Ustadh Abdur Shakur Brooks and his teachers (not the ones in your home town) on the relied upon positions of their maddhhab. And the Deobandis did not issue those rulings on the niqab! They did, i.e., the imams of the Malikis. If anything, you have a problem with them and not just us.

And by the way, would you care to inform us of what the Maliki position – in your opinion – is on the niqab?

“… all to perpetuate this outward crazed and limb rich practice of religion.”

Right. So, the Niqab and Beard are outward crazed and limb rich practices. SubhanAllah. I don’t think this even deserves an answer.

“Lets focus on real issues please.”

Like?

And we’re not saying these are the only issues. In fact, browse through our site and see for yourself that we’ve made available materials on a whole host of topics, from politics to sports and entertainment in Islam.

“Like the idea that our women are sitting at home watching bollywood films because they are banned from the masajid despite the Prophetic Counsel PBUH explicitly forbidding people to ban women from the masajid. O yeah, I am sorry, I forgot that we now live in the “time of fitnah”. The rulings of the Messenger pbuh no longer apply because we are in “the time of fitnah”, right? “

I’m going to have husn al-dhann and excuse you due to your ignorance. But knowingly blurting out such statements won’t do you any good. These accusations would be applicable to the Sahabah and the major scholars of this Ummah. May Allah save us from soiling our tongues in such a way.

“than the interpretations of some scholars with cultural agendas who insist that the sayings of the Prophet PBUH no longer hold wait in the time of fitnah”

The positions of the Deobandi ulama are not new. They are the positions of the ulama of the past, many of whom were Arabs. This is all documented. You just need to do some research.

Before making any further generalizations or accusations against our ‘Ulama, please show us where we have misquoted anyone and where we have differed from the ‘Ulama of the past, i.e., what are the issues the that the ‘Ulama of Deoband have given a fatwa on without there being a precedent for it in the Hanafi madhhab of the past?

This is absolutely ridiculous. Its good to note that these “up holders and beacons of the sunnah” are constantly misquoting and misleading to propagate their own beliefs. This website is full of misquotations from the 3 other madhaib to perpetuate the staunch and rigid hanafi fiqh espoused by deoband. There are articles which suggest that the maliki madhab has certain dominant views on niqaab (which simply are not true), that the shafi madhab says certain things about the beard (again not true)- all to perpetuate this outward crazed and limb rich practice of religion. Lets focus on real issues please. Like the idea that our women are sitting at home watching bollywood films because they are banned from the masajid despite the Prophetic Counsel PBUH explicitly forbidding people to ban women from the masajid. O yeah, I am sorry, I forgot that we now live in the “time of fitnah”. The rulings of the Messenger pbuh no longer apply because we are in “the time of fitnah”, right? At least that is what our scholars from this sub continent beacon of scholarship seem to suggest to us. I am more comfortable following the foresight of our Messenger pbuh than the interpretations of some scholars with cultural agendas who insist that the sayings of the Prophet PBUH no longer hold wait in the time of fitnah

See link below re: Hajji Sahib and Faisalah Haft Mas’alah.

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?60367-Faysala-haft-maslah-by-haji-imadadullah

@unity – You are right that we are a pathetic mess as a community but at what cost would unity come? Do we compromise on our fundamental beliefs? Do we strike a deal by compromising with bid’ah (I’m sure you’ve heard of hadiths on bid’ah and that makes this a very serious offense)? Where do we draw the line? Why is that we should compromise by leaving the truth and endorsing the falsehood … and they don’t compromise by leaving the falsehood and accepting the truth? How come they are not being asked to leave the bid’ahs for the sake of unity? Certainly these innovated actions and beliefs are not a central part of belief!